BBC: The Lazarus Heist LIVE in New York City

The podcaster and musician Dessa is joined on stage by presenters Jean Lee and Geoff White and guests. Jean Lee shares stories from her time running a US news bureau in the North Korean capital Pyongyang and Geoff White reveals how, according to investigators, North Korean hackers have developed a unique presence in the world of cybercrime. Seohyun Lee defected from North Korea in 2014 and describes the moment she began to doubt the North Korean ideology she’d been taught since birth. Cybersecurity expert, Michael ‘Barni’ Barnhart, explains how he tracks hackers in real time, even reading messages exchanged between hacking cells, to figure out who they might target next. Plus, the panel answers questions from listeners from around the world and the audience in New York. The Lazarus Heist is the hit podcast and radio series which tells the story of a group of North Korean hackers who were accused of trying to steal a billion dollars. North Korea denies this, saying it “has nothing to do at all” with cyber threats or money laundering and says the accusations are American attempts to tarnish its image.